I have often marvelled over what actually defines me. I came across an interesting paradox while reading the book Philosophy 101 by Paul Kleinman. Explaining the metaphysics of identity, the ship of Theseus paradox first appeared in the writings of the Ancient Greek philosopher Plutarch. He wrote about Theseus (the founder-king of Athens) returning from a long voyage at sea. During this voyage, the old and decayed planks of wood the ship was made of was replaced by brand new and strong planks of wood. So by the end of the voyage, every piece of wood the ship was made of initially, had been replaced. The philosophical idea generated from this scenario is: is this ship still the same ship that Theseus started his voyage on? Or, if the ship Theseus began his journey on is A, and the ship Theseus ended his journey on is B, then does A=B?

This paradox surely goes beyond a problem about ships. It leads us to thinking about identity and what makes us the people that we are. I am going to change as I grow older, and parts of me are going to change as years are going to go by. But even when I turn sixty, I’m still going to call myself Saania- I’ll still consider myself to be the very same person.

Is identity related to my structure and the way I am made? If this is the case, I wouldn’t be me if I were to shave all my hair off. Some philosophers say that “we are our body”. But as we grow older, a lot of changes take place in our bodies. As teenagers, we may change our looks, our style when it comes to clothing, our hairstyles, and so much more. And as we grow even older, we get gray hair and wrinkles by our eyes. We may even develop health troubles or we may modify the food we take into our body. So many of our cells keep replacing themselves too, and some even die. So our body is definitely not a permanent fixture.

Is identity related to my mind and my feelings? If this is the case, I wouldn’t be me if I ever replaced my heart, or lost my memory. Many philosophers say that our mind is what gives us our identity. Yet, our outlook on life changes over time. I am starting to think differently as I am growing older, as compared to the things I believe in when I was much younger. I may gain a lot of knowledge. I may change my beliefs. I may find religion, or lose it. This change is inevitable, and so very constant.

I believe there is no right or wrong answer for these mind-boggling questions. What this paradox does tell us, however, is that although we see identity as a fixed and solid structure, it is actually very thin, malleable, and ever-changing. The ship of Theseus and its implications about what identity really is are still discussed today. It does, indeed, leave me with quite a lot of food for thought…

– SaaniaSparkle🧚🏻‍♀️

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  2. Live Today With Faith Avatar
    Live Today With Faith

    To use your paradox of the ship, there was one thing on the ship that remained the same the entire trip….?

    The crew. There is a never changing part of us, that part is timeless and never changing. To get in touch with that is, well, my life long goal.

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  3. The Inquisitive Inkpot Avatar
    The Inquisitive Inkpot

    That’s such a relevant question, especially with the movement of “gender fluidity.” I won’t get into that, but it’s just an example of how this question has pervaded human thought over millenia. If we want to (and choose to) change things about ourselves, to what degree have we changed our essence versus just altering a secondary quality about ourselves?

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  4. (Mrs.)Tara Pant Avatar
    (Mrs.)Tara Pant

    We are not same as we were before.very interesting and thoughtful concept.

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  9. GregWW Avatar
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    Sanjay, here is another short paradox about identity.

    If a person joins a club and is one of those kind of people that “really make a difference”, is the club still the same club as it was before they joined?

    And back to an issue much like Theseus’ ship. Sailors would change a plank in their hull While Sailing if it was damaged or leaking. So, you can do that by changing one plank at a time, but you can’t change them all at once!
    It seems that if you got back to Greece with an entirely rebuilt hull but it was done one plank at a time, you could more easily say, “its the same ship.”

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  12. Henry Chamberlain Avatar
    Henry Chamberlain

    It’s difficult, or essentially impossible, not to keep changing, although there are plenty of people that would seem to change very little. We are always evolving so, in that sense, there remains a constant self, always being modified. A person can even completely transition gender but they can recall their past and they acknowledge a self that has evolved, and continues to evolve.

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  18. Wyrd Smythe Avatar
    Wyrd Smythe

    It’s very much about the role of something versus its substance. The substance of the ship was replaced many times over, but its role (or identity) remained constant.

    (Did you know all the cells of your pancreas are replaced every 24 hours? You essentially wake up with a new one every morning.)

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  19. Natasha Avatar
    Natasha

    Saania, how wonderfully articulated. No wonder we also have Darwin’s theory of evolution. Our brain and our being and our very core of cells are constantly evolving.

    But sometimes it is the preconditioned mindset that stops us from moving a step further.
    It is for us to drop the A planks of our ship and move to the B planks.

    Thank you for this thought provoking post, you wonderful wise soul.
    Love and light ♥️

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  20. Shauna Avatar
    Shauna

    To add a little more to this thought, as I’ve started seriously studying some languages lately, I’ve heard that your personality can be different depending on the language you’re speaking! I haven’t progressed far enough in my studies yet to feel this happening, but I am very interested to see what it feels like if and when it does!

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    1. SaaniaSparkle 🧚🏻‍♀️ Avatar
      SaaniaSparkle 🧚🏻‍♀️

      That’s a very interesting thought, thank-you for sharing it!

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  21. Jonathan Caswell Avatar
    Jonathan Caswell

    WE ARE BODY, SOUL AND SPIRIT. OUR BODY DOES INDEED DIE YET REJUVENATE ITSELF FOR OUR LIFETIME. THE SOUL DOES INDEED IMPROVE AND CHANGE OVER TIME…BUT OUR SPIRIT REMAINS. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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    1. rawgod Avatar
      rawgod

      I would say this a lot different. Our bodies are imparmanent, they come and they go.
      Our minds change all the time, if we let them. But in the end they too are impermanent, as they are attached to our bodies.
      Our spirits are forever, they are the parts that get continuously reincarnated–but certainly they change, or whay would be the point of life?
      Soul? I have no idea what you mean by soul!

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      1. Jonathan Caswell Avatar
        Jonathan Caswell

        SOUL ARE THE PARTICULARS OF EVERY PERSONALITY—EMOTIONS, ETC.

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      2. rawgod Avatar
        rawgod

        Got to admit that is a new one for me. The word is too religious, but I’ll accept the definition, in your case. For most people, though, I had never gotten that as a definition. Take care.

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      3. Jonathan Caswell Avatar
        Jonathan Caswell

        IN THE CHRISTIAN VIEW, there is only one opportunity—one life—to choose life. It isn’t a recurring cycle of trying to do things right. That is where we differ. One life, then judgement.

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      4. rawgod Avatar
        rawgod

        Many lives, no judgement. Just opportunities to learn how to do things better, how to be a better person, how to be a better living being.
        I’ll stick to my beliefs, thanks. One and done–then to heaven or to hell, is a crazy way of having to live. No chance for redemption. No chance to change. No chance to learn. And you call your hod a loving god? Loving power, yes. Loving his creation? Not so much!

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      5. Jonathan Caswell Avatar
        Jonathan Caswell

        OOne learns during one’s life….how can an ant remember what they did before anad learn from it? Lots of oppporrtunity foor redemption….and not do to some impersonal “karma”, either! depends on our choices—not an impersonal force without evidence to be seen! 😀

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      6. rawgod Avatar
        rawgod

        The following discussion is how I see life. It starts from exactly where you left off:.

        “[N]ot an impersonal force without evidence to be seen!” Almost exactly my definition of your idea of the super-being you call your god. So, at least we agree some things that people believe to exist, do not.
        But, though I do believe in reincarnation, I do not believe in the idea of Karma any more than I believe in any kind of super-being of any kind. Karma and “God” both deal in the same commodity — Judgment! I see no purpose in judging anyone, or anything. Judgment relies on either reward or punishment. What good is an eternal reward if all it does is provide a place to worship a Being forever? Likewise, what could be the purpose of eternal punishment? You had your one chance, and blew it, so your reward is to suffer forever! What exactly does that do for anyone?
        No, it makes more sense to me to have multiple lives, dare I say an infinite number of lives, to make yourself into a worthwhile, considerate, compassionate being. This has no reward other than self-improvement. Nor does it have a punishment, because no one is keeping score. No one here can live a perfect life, it just is not possible. But neither will anyone live numerous lives as an asshole. Because at some point every asshole will meet a bigger asshole, in whom they get to see how they treat others. And at that point, they will start to try to improve the person they are. And once they start, they will appreciate themselves more and more.
        But this is nothing to do persistance of mind, or soul, as we know it on Earth. We do not remember past lives for a reason. This “self-knowledge” is retained in our spirits. It is our spirits that create the person we are each life. Once you know what to look for, you can start to see what exists in the spirit of each and every person, using person not to mean as human being, but as living being. Every living being has a spirit, and all spirits are on a journey of self-improvement towards perfection. The thing is, perfection is a relative thing. The goalposts are always moving further away from us; the more we improve ourselves the more we see how much we still need to improve ourselves. The more we know, the more there is to know. Or, as Plato said for us, “We know nothing!”

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      7. Jonathan Caswell Avatar
        Jonathan Caswell

        INTERESTING. A pick and choose ideeollogy. What about comppassion for oothers—or your own spirit maturing in thee here anad now? Why shsould people suffer and not allow a loing god to help them?

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      8. rawgod Avatar
        rawgod

        What you call a “pick and choose” ideology allows people to progress on their own, to know why they are doing what they are doing. It allows people to be compassionsae “for everyone,” not jyst for people who think or believe like them. It is your god that creates suffering! Christiamity is built on negatives, don’t do this, don’t do that. That is controlling. I believe everyone should be free to find what mskes them happy, and free. I know you think such freedom would result in chaos and violence, but you have no fsith in humans. People sre mean and violent for lots of reasons, but mainly because they themselves sre being mistreated by others. Given a chance, most people will choose happiness over suffering. I know I certainly do. We were not born to suffer, as religious suthorities everywhere tell us. We were born to be happy, and we cannot be happy when others are suffering because of us.

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      9. Jonathan Caswell Avatar
        Jonathan Caswell

        then I am happy for you, thtat you hyave decided what you want to believe. 😀

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